Joint-best start - but where will Sunderland finish?published at 15:46 GMT 27 October 2025
Joe Rindl
BBC Sport journalist

Undoubtedly, Sunderland - who won 2-1 at Chelsea on Saturday - have been the biggest surprise of the Premier League so far this season.
Minutes away from a Championship play-off final defeat in May, they will end October fourth in the top flight.
With 17 points from nine matches, the Black Cats have equalled their best Premier League start, matching their tally from 1999-2000.
Only five newly promoted sides have earned more points than Sunderland in the same number of matches. All five, including Sunderland themselves in 2000, managed to survive relegation.
"It's an unbelievable start and one that's been well earned," former Watford captain Troy Deeney told Final Score.
"If you said that a couple of months ago, Sunderland fans would tell you, you're crazy."
Ex-Manchester United and England midfielder Michael Carrick added on BBC Radio 5 Live: "Anyone who is honest enough will say that they never expected Sunderland to start this well, so full credit to them.
"The amount of points they have accumulated already has given them an unbelievable start and that's something they will want to build on."
Where do you think the Black Cats can finish this campaign? A dream run to European places or could relegation still be on the cards?






























